Ulrich
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I agree ... other than that I hope to get 20 out of it
Trade in value
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I agree with the push to EV, but I disagree with the messaging. I always remind people elsewhere on the inter webs that we can't go from steam engine to "warp drive" in one fell swoop; It's going to take many, many steps to get there. I drive a diesel BMW X5 that gets pretty decent MPGs considering its size. But, technology needs to give us a decent power/density ratio in battery tech that is near comparable to gasoline-equivalent, or at least, charge times comparable to a current fuel up (or both).
Politicians can make all sorts of grandiose promises but, at the end of the day, if the scientists cannot come up with a solution on the politicians' timetable, there's no amount of rhetoric that can sh*t a unicorn out of a hat.
I don't think any of us need worry that our R18's, much less the rest of our gasoline fleets, are going to be obsolete anytime soon...
Mike
Alternative fuels will arrive faster than all the problems facing the EV Industry will be solved.
No. I am not new to BMW, this is my 4th consecutive BMW.
I’m not saying it will have stellar resale price, but that the current dip is being exacerbated by the current over supply and slow demand.
At the end of the day, it doesn’t worry me. I have the bike that I want and that’s where it ends for me.
And to think these people make YouTube videos on how convenient it is to “charge while i have a Starbucks” and basically spend $12 on two cups of coffee which otherwise would have not been spent.
I’ve been tempted to make a video showcasing how fast i can “recharge” my ICE car.
The world is upside down.
Randy Kahn
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If the Globalists get their way they could mandate ALL motorcycles go electric. Where they plan to get ALL this juice from.....as usual they have no idea. Harley of course already has an electric bike. I've owned Harley's...and why someone would want an ELECTRIC model, no rumble, no sound, no nuthin....is beyond me...maybe the same guys who loved seeing Dylan Mulvaney on their Bud Light cans!!!
Anyway....before I get thrown off the site.....I wouldn't doubt in the next tens years, maybe less, "THEY" determine motorcycles serve no purpose to society, and if you insist on having one, it will be electric...so we can buy more Lithium from China....
The point...R18s could be the "muscle cars" of bikes in the foreseeable future. Maybe hang on to yours if you have one....
Anyway....before I get thrown off the site.....I wouldn't doubt in the next tens years, maybe less, "THEY" determine motorcycles serve no purpose to society, and if you insist on having one, it will be electric...so we can buy more Lithium from China....
The point...R18s could be the "muscle cars" of bikes in the foreseeable future. Maybe hang on to yours if you have one....
Actually, China's pretty far down on the list in terms of overall known lithium deposits. The #1 spot goes to Bolivia. Even we in the US have more known lithium deposits than China, despite them using up their resources like a drunken sailor uses up a paycheck on shore leave.
Source: https://www.nsenergybusiness.com/features/six-largest-lithium-reserves-world/
Methinks we don't use our own natural resources for strategic reasons (e.g. think not drilling in ANWR), instead, drain the rest of the world dry while keeping our OWN resources untouched. It's a genius long-term plan.
Maybe, if those "drill, baby drill" people thought about what we were doing, they wouldn't be chomping at the bit to extract our own resources so damn fast...
Mike
Randy Kahn
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K,
That would be great if true.....I don't see ANY strategic thinking out of Washington....I'm confident the country will be insolvent long before they think ahead....
But I hope your right. Meanwhile the push for non petromium based everything is real.....The only thing they hate more than oil....is us having fun on a bike!!!
Mr. Efficiency
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Motorcycles are not investments… always make sure you get the one you want and ride it until its a hot mess.
Especially a BMW. Now my GS is well sorted out, its high mileage but it has everything. Now my local BMW dealer is a crook but he offered me $2500 for it. I’m just gonna ride it until it starts puking fluid then part it out. BMW motorcycles have very little to no trade in value. They represent a very small portion of the motorcycle market but they are a hard sell used; the maintenance costs are stunning; my GS has to be broken in half for a new clutch!…
I know a lot of you are new BMW owners. We didn’t buy them because they are worth any money; we bought them because you can ride them 100,000 miles and still have a bike (except my R18
… I still love it but it has actually turned me off from ever owning another BMW… and I’ve owned more than I can count )
Any way, I had a Harley thug Dyna… all blacked out… custom front and rear suspension and bored out to an insane 124. I don’t even remember what year it was but that little bike darn near paid for my R18. Simply, because somebody wanted it real bad. No one wants a rolling $3000 repair bill waiting to happen. They are a very tough sale.
Especially a BMW. Now my GS is well sorted out, its high mileage but it has everything. Now my local BMW dealer is a crook but he offered me $2500 for it. I’m just gonna ride it until it starts puking fluid then part it out. BMW motorcycles have very little to no trade in value. They represent a very small portion of the motorcycle market but they are a hard sell used; the maintenance costs are stunning; my GS has to be broken in half for a new clutch!…
I know a lot of you are new BMW owners. We didn’t buy them because they are worth any money; we bought them because you can ride them 100,000 miles and still have a bike (except my R18
… I still love it but it has actually turned me off from ever owning another BMW… and I’ve owned more than I can count )Any way, I had a Harley thug Dyna… all blacked out… custom front and rear suspension and bored out to an insane 124. I don’t even remember what year it was but that little bike darn near paid for my R18. Simply, because somebody wanted it real bad. No one wants a rolling $3000 repair bill waiting to happen. They are a very tough sale.
You’re giving those in charge way too much credit. Our nonexistent energy policy just allows our energy dollars to be shipped overseas.
Berardi3
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What are you looking to get into ?
Randy Kahn
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In addition to ALL sorts of other issues with serious ramifications to the country.....So they are either pitifully ignorant or it's by design.....
Nick
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A Harley road glide is what I was looking at.
Scott Semone
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I was considering a 2022 Street Glide ST or the Road Glide ST; I went with the R18 B First Edition and never looked back...
The HD price was creepy North by an additional $2k above MSRP, where the R18 B was negotiated South, and at 0.9% financing - the HD bikes started to look less appealing.
I've added some stuff to my Model B, which were only available on the TC; however, it's basically stock minus the J&H exhaust.
All my buddies have the above mentioned HD bikes... hardly a single original part is left on them... everything has been replaced. They're all easily North of $40k for their bikes..
Sold my 2008 GS Adventure w/ 96,600 miles on it to help offset the new R18 B.
The HD price was creepy North by an additional $2k above MSRP, where the R18 B was negotiated South, and at 0.9% financing - the HD bikes started to look less appealing.
I've added some stuff to my Model B, which were only available on the TC; however, it's basically stock minus the J&H exhaust.
All my buddies have the above mentioned HD bikes... hardly a single original part is left on them... everything has been replaced. They're all easily North of $40k for their bikes..
Sold my 2008 GS Adventure w/ 96,600 miles on it to help offset the new R18 B.
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Randy Kahn
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Sold my 2010 Dyna recently that had been completely modified. Had at least 35 K in it.... probably more. Was lucky to get $12,500 from my mechanic who wanted the bike. It was absolutely perfect.Motorcycles are not investments… always make sure you get the one you want and ride it until its a hot mess.
Especially a BMW. Now my GS is well sorted out, its high mileage but it has everything. Now my local BMW dealer is a crook but he offered me $2500 for it. I’m just gonna ride it until it starts puking fluid then part it out. BMW motorcycles have very little to no trade in value. They represent a very small portion of the motorcycle market but they are a hard sell used; the maintenance costs are stunning; my GS has to be broken in half for a new clutch!…
I know a lot of you are new BMW owners. We didn’t buy them because they are worth any money; we bought them because you can ride them 100,000 miles and still have a bike (except my R18
Any way, I had a Harley thug Dyna… all blacked out… custom front and rear suspension and bored out to an insane 124. I don’t even remember what year it was but that little bike darn near paid for my R18. Simply, because somebody wanted it real bad. No one wants a rolling $3000 repair bill waiting to happen. They are a very tough sale.
Hopefully the R18 just does what it's designed to do....ride like a BMW. As far as resale....not part of my equation. It's like a raceboat.....you pay handsomely for every hour your out on the lake without a problem....
goforth
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If you want to feel bad, try to sell a used motor home or motorcycle. If you want to feel great, use them.
0x0000000e76
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but they would be facing the same challenge because they would be trying to compete against BMW, their discount, full warranty and financing.
Welcome and enjoy the change of style! Ex-GS rider here too and loving my R 18 Classic
Well...Motorcycles are not investments… always make sure you get the one you want and ride it until its a hot mess.
Especially a BMW. Now my GS is well sorted out, its high mileage but it has everything. Now my local BMW dealer is a crook but he offered me $2500 for it. I’m just gonna ride it until it starts puking fluid then part it out. BMW motorcycles have very little to no trade in value. They represent a very small portion of the motorcycle market but they are a hard sell used; the maintenance costs are stunning; my GS has to be broken in half for a new clutch!…
I know a lot of you are new BMW owners. We didn’t buy them because they are worth any money; we bought them because you can ride them 100,000 miles and still have a bike (except my R18
Any way, I had a Harley thug Dyna… all blacked out… custom front and rear suspension and bored out to an insane 124. I don’t even remember what year it was but that little bike darn near paid for my R18. Simply, because somebody wanted it real bad. No one wants a rolling $3000 repair bill waiting to happen. They are a very tough sale.
Most Beemers have dry clutches, so "breaking" (or, hinging them upwards) them in half is perfectly normal. It's how one separates the transmission from the engine housing. The fact that the motorcycle is designed to "break" in half is testament to that particular quirk.
If you want a wet clutch, get another motorcycle
. FWIW, BMW does have some models that have wet clutches, if that's more up your alley.Mike