Cheapest way is a Bluetooth odblink (https://a.co/d/0qen8CS), an Amazon fire tablet (unless you’re an android guy already),and the Motoscan app. Probably $145 all in at current prices. The GS-911 is $400. Does the same job as far as I understand.
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If there is no misunderstanding on my part of what you've written, IMO your dealer is a total incompetent as to servicing and fairly proficient at being dishonest and thievery. When conducting service such as your oil change, the dealer tool or those like the gs911 allow resetting date and mileage alerts for when your next service is due. E.G., oil changed at 5500 miles goes to 11,500 miles and whichever date bumps 12 months ahead 01/11/2023 goes to 01/11/2024, so they can and should have simply reset both for another 6,000 miles and/or 12 month interval. Using their logic if you got an oil change at 5500 miles and they didn't properly reset the notifications in 500 miles you would have to go back for another oil change just to have them reset the reminder THEY FAILED TO SO TO BEGIN WITH.
Their position on this is pure Bull Shit. I have had many BMWs and ridden them all over North America and while I do a majority of my own servicing (I use the GS911 tool), I also use a dealer when convenient/prudent. When leaving on a long trip I often do or have a service done early just so I have the maximum range before I need to worry about it while away from home. I or the dealer simply reset the service alert and go ride until the next interval. I once heard of a shop that didn't want to reset a reminder when an owner did a service at home, but didn't have a way to reset the reminder. The justification was BMW required them to do the servicing or be held responsible for warranty purposes if they reset the reminder for another's work. Very weak shit and I never verified that as actually being BMW's official requirements as I've never had that happen to me.
Anyway, this R platform is fun and easy to work on so gather some basic hand tools and a gs911 or similar and then keep receipts for the oil, filters, etc., and date-mileage when you took care of her servicing, there's many helpful posts on the forum and ewe-tubes to give guidance. I would run this by the shop to management if prudent one more time to see if they'll simply and graciously do what they should have done and I'd also think seriously about other available shops in your area as I wouldn't trust them to stand behind their work if how they handled this simplest task represents their attitude and business model.
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I'm pretty sure if you don't follow the required service intervals, BMW will not honor a warranty repair. Especially the first service....
My 600 mile service is coming up, I'm at about 500 miles, I also have it included in the deal when I bought it.
After that, I'm gonna explore if BMW will honor a cert. tech that is not at a dealer but an independent. The dealer is too far, and I'm not going to be using BMW filters and fluids. I"ll swap to a K&N filter and Redline fluids.
Tech at my selling dealer told me to keep receipts and document mileage when i do my own service jobs. He assured me that would keep everything in order if a warranty claim ever comes up. Can’t imagine BMW or any manufacturer can outright deny a claim if the maintenance work wasn’t done on their floor. They could TRY I guess. From what I understand, there’s some consumer protection here where the manufacturer would have to prove that previous work directly caused the issue under warranty.
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I agree... My 2008 GS Adventure had close to 100k miles on it when I sold it (96,862) in order to purchase my R18 B; my GSA was only in the BMW service center a handful of times (new tires, high speed balancing, bleeding brake fluid, warranty type stuff) where the majority of its maintenance was in my garage or driveway. Granted... there was an available service manual (hint-hint BMW Motorrad Mothership)...
FYI - I hate dealing with brake fluid, highly corrosive, etc... it's something I'll work through and get over; for now, I typically have the dealership swap the fluid and reset my maintenance light within the same visit. I do everything else.
Service Shops are no different, they are going to try and sell you on service; they might even hint towards warranty scare tactics...
Once I got a bleeder pump, I found brakes to be shockingly easy. Just need a lot of shop rags around. I'm a guy whose only experience is just getting dirty with my Bonneville and then the Sportster (admittedly, two of the easier engines to work on in the bike world - also incredible resources available, both from the mfg and the riding world), but there's not been a job yet where I haven't decided to give it a go and save the shop fees. I will say, TIRES can fuck right off. I did one set and that was enough to learn the value of letting someone else do it. Although, if I'd have been super smart, I'd have gotten a tire machine a few years ago and would have saved three or four times over between me and my buddies swapping rubber on multiple bikes.
This is NOT a statement on EuroCycle but rather something else...
I am 65 years old and I ride bikes since I was 17. That makes me a rider since 48 years. And in those 48 years I owned over 30 bikes from manufacturers like BMW, Honda, Yamaha & Kawasaki... Mostly BMW though...
And in that 48 years I have made one colossal mistake that I can express in one phrase: R1800 Transcontinental.
Enough said!
I am 65 years old and I ride bikes since I was 17. That makes me a rider since 48 years. And in those 48 years I owned over 30 bikes from manufacturers like BMW, Honda, Yamaha & Kawasaki... Mostly BMW though...
And in that 48 years I have made one colossal mistake that I can express in one phrase: R1800 Transcontinental.
Enough said!
Oof! Sorry to hear it’s been a bad experience. Given I’ve only logged ~600 miles on my B since getting it just before the season closed, I’ve been pleased. I hope the gremlins stay away and the bike keeps up with my expectations.
Bike is as good as and problem free as BMW intended. But "me" purchasing it was the biggest mistake. I normally ride about 10,000 miles a year on all my bikes. I bought this one on June 2023 as brand new from the dealership and after 350miles riding to home since then only put 2100 miles on it and sitting in the garage. That tells you how much I like(!) this bike. I can't sell it too. Dealerships offering the same bike at 0 miles for $17,000-$18000 range while I owe on it $21,500... If anybody offers me $18,000 they can have it today the darn thing.
B models may have a better following since their prices were milder too but this behemoth has no following, no second hand market value, not agile, not enough power, nothing... Especially when I compared my last GSA1250 or R1250RT before that one...
This feels like the BMW's biggest marketing mistake same as the New Coke screwed up and decided to return to Classic Coke...
No idea why they felt to mess up the perfectly good market for their lineup with this crap... No wonder they are trying to give them away with unbelievable incentives...
No pay for the first 90 days then BMW pays your first4 months...
Try to get any other BMW model with that kind of incentive... See if it's possible... They don't even offer the same incentives on used biker pants with BMW logo on them...
Oh well, I guess in 48 years of riding I am entitled to have one accident and it happened in the form of me purchasing this @#$%& !
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I was able to sneak a Winter season ride in this past Sunday in the NJ/NY area (64° F); I still really enjoy my R18 B, valve adjustment that I did towards the end of the riding season sounded smooth and the bike is a blast to ride...
Hammo
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Across the pond its the same my friends , dealerships will always be full wack prices , personally i use an independent workshop its cheaper , more friendly and it does not effect your warranty , i might even try to do my next oil change myself !!!!! .
Gr8adv
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Sucks you are not happy.Bike is as good as and problem free as BMW intended. But "me" purchasing it was the biggest mistake. I normally ride about 10,000 miles a year on all my bikes. I bought this one on June 2023 as brand new from the dealership and after 350miles riding to home since then only put 2100 miles on it and sitting in the garage. That tells you how much I like(!) this bike. I can't sell it too. Dealerships offering the same bike at 0 miles for $17,000-$18000 range while I owe on it $21,500... If anybody offers me $18,000 they can have it today the darn thing.
B models may have a better following since their prices were milder too but this behemoth has no following, no second hand market value, not agile, not enough power, nothing... Especially when I compared my last GSA1250 or R1250RT before that one...
This feels like the BMW's biggest marketing mistake same as the New Coke screwed up and decided to return to Classic Coke...
No idea why they felt to mess up the perfectly good market for their lineup with this crap... No wonder they are trying to give them away with unbelievable incentives...
No pay for the first 90 days then BMW pays your first4 months...
Try to get any other BMW model with that kind of incentive... See if it's possible... They don't even offer the same incentives on used biker pants with BMW logo on them...
Oh well, I guess in 48 years of riding I am entitled to have one accident and it happened in the form of me purchasing this @#$%& !
My how things change. From an earlier post from you at purchase, the payment structure was one thing you seemed to like...
…“It was $21k + tax license. Am I happy for it? You bet... Especially 0% for 5 years with no payment first 7 months... Heck yeah!” …
And really, did you really think you wouldn’t be upside down 10 months later when you didn’t have to make any payments for 7 of those months?
I think you do not understand the reasoning behind my "unhappiness"...
This bike sucks! Big time... not the price of it I was able to get it for, nor the purchasing conditions. Of course I expect to lose $$$ when I sell a bike.
Like I mentioned before I buy and sell one to two brand new bikes a year since the last 20-22 years... BMWFS reps recognize my voice on the phone by now.
BUT and it is a biiiig BUT, "Those bikes were fun to ride..."
if this bike was a decent bike and fun to ride too then I won't mind keeping it.
Unfortunately this is not a decent bike nor fun to ride for me and every time I look at it, I feel disgusted as it reminds me it is a waste of $$$$$ sitting in the garage and collecting dust almost since 47 weeks of the past year.
I take it out once a month to ride 4-5 miles in town and sits again until next month or two.
June 2024 will be anniversary of the purchasing this shaky behemoth!
Tomorrow I'll be going with few other friends to a 5 day tour of Grand Canyon, Sedona and Zion, Bryce, Mexican Hat, Valley of the Gods etc...
One of our riding buddies passed away at age 62. He was planning this ride before his passing and this ride was in his honor and memory. So I am going just because of that reason. If it wasn't for honoring his memory I wouldn't go even if they paid me. This is how much I "love" this bike!
After every bike I sold in the last 20+ years, when buyers ride away with my bike after the transaction completed I've felt a little sadness.
When I see this one leaving my driveway, I am planning to organize a neighborhood BBQ party!
You are all invited!
Gr8adv
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I hear you.
Like you I am in my mid 60’s and have been fortunate enough to have ridden most everything including Harley, KTM, Honda, Triumph, Husky and many BMW’s. Multiple gs’s, K bikes, LT’s ( I’m still proud to be one of the few owners of servo assisted brake version that never dropped one.).
I buy bikes that best serve my purpose, not the brand. In general, the R18’s ride and feels pretty much like every other cruiser out there. It’s ok to not like it; 31 flavors for a reason. However, to me, complaining so vehemently about the bikes nature and ride ability is like jumping in the lake and complaining you are wet.
Oh and yes from the outside looking in it does appear that money plays a part. In the time it has taken you to stew about it for the 47 weeks it has sat you could have traded it in for the new GS. I could be wrong.
Hope you get another you love. Ride on and RIP to your buddy. Life is shit sometimes. GL and safety second.
Same here. No brand loyalty but between all the brands/models I ride in the past I've found the most versatile bike for my riding style is GSA models. They are great for the long hauls on freeways as well as for backroad adventures. All the bells and whistles of a modern bike without being obnoxiously luxurious. I call them the "Hummer of the bikes". Any road, anytime. They could be super sporty and nimble if you take the side cases off or load them up like miner's mule and go for a 5000 mile trip without worrying what kind of road surface you may find ahead.I hear you.
Like you I am in my mid 60’s and have been fortunate enough to have ridden most everything including Harley, KTM, Honda, Triumph, Husky and many BMW’s. Multiple gs’s, K bikes, LT’s ( I’m still proud to be one of the few owners of servo assisted brake version that never dropped one.).
I buy bikes that best serve my purpose, not the brand. In general, the R18’s ride and feels pretty much like every other cruiser out there. It’s ok to not like it; 31 flavors for a reason. However, to me, complaining so vehemently about the bikes nature and ride ability is like jumping in the lake and complaining you are wet.
Oh and yes from the outside looking in it does appear that money plays a part. In the time it has taken you to stew about it for the 47 weeks it has sat you could have traded it in for the new GS. I could be wrong.
Hope you get another you love. Ride on and RIP to your buddy. Life is shit sometimes. GL and safety second.
You're right when you mentioned R18TC being like any other cruiser. In the last 20+ years I've never ridden a cruiser type bike. This was just a "let me try for once" kind of a buy. I realized "Cruiser" is not for me... Touring and Sport Touring is OK but mostly adventure bikes suits my riding style.
Thank you for your kind words.
Ride safe my friend!
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I was quoted $800 by 2 BMW dealers in LA.
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An open letter to CaptJim,
"When I see this one leaving my driveway, I am planning to organize a neighborhood BBQ party!
You are all invited!"
TLDR version:
I will not be in attendance as I will also be quite glad to see you leave this forum.
Long version:
I do feel it is too bad that you don't like your TC, but that's just how it is. But why so vehement, so vitriolic, and so damned repetitive? As a matter of my perception of your posts, you apparently hate it. So why are you still here?
I was one of those here who responded to you when you were seeking input on purchasing a TC. I gave, and will always give, objective input to include pros & cons, and will point out my own biases in order to provide a balanced opinion.
You were overjoyed when you rode the bike home from the SoCal dealer to the Bay Area (both in my old stomping grounds).
Then, IIRC, after a ride to Tahoe the disappointment and bashing started.
And it has continued for months, with no objective reasons for your dislike for the bike, just vitriolic, disparaging and rambling rants.
I have decided that you are either an internet troll or are someone whose only happiness is 'perfection by your own definition'. Behavior such as your's led me to choose to leave AdvRider years ago: too many people joining that were trolling rather than sharing (though AdvRider has gotten better and I now pop in there)
Please sell the bike and let us R18 riders get on with sharing our experiences, both good and bad, and enjoying the camaraderie.
"When I see this one leaving my driveway, I am planning to organize a neighborhood BBQ party!
You are all invited!"
TLDR version:
I will not be in attendance as I will also be quite glad to see you leave this forum.
Long version:
I do feel it is too bad that you don't like your TC, but that's just how it is. But why so vehement, so vitriolic, and so damned repetitive? As a matter of my perception of your posts, you apparently hate it. So why are you still here?
I was one of those here who responded to you when you were seeking input on purchasing a TC. I gave, and will always give, objective input to include pros & cons, and will point out my own biases in order to provide a balanced opinion.
You were overjoyed when you rode the bike home from the SoCal dealer to the Bay Area (both in my old stomping grounds).
Then, IIRC, after a ride to Tahoe the disappointment and bashing started.
And it has continued for months, with no objective reasons for your dislike for the bike, just vitriolic, disparaging and rambling rants.
I have decided that you are either an internet troll or are someone whose only happiness is 'perfection by your own definition'. Behavior such as your's led me to choose to leave AdvRider years ago: too many people joining that were trolling rather than sharing (though AdvRider has gotten better and I now pop in there)
Please sell the bike and let us R18 riders get on with sharing our experiences, both good and bad, and enjoying the camaraderie.
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I could not agree more ... I enjoy my ride (very much) ... you did not. All good, sell it, move on, there are literally 100's of other models/brands to chose from, maybe you find one that suits you better. No need to go on bashing this model, you must have liked something about it ... why else would you have bought it in the first place ... just my 2¢
P.S,: I won't attend either
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Thinking about Black Dog was banned from this forum for little things... (comparing with this...)
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Yes, I buggered up and didn't check Black Dog's posting date before I posted 
. I deleted my related post because of my temporal error!
. I deleted my related post because of my temporal error!